Frost for MKX
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Misucra
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It is, there's one more but it's just basically a concept of what she's wearing in the game:
I can't believe I was stupid enough to think they just didn't have enough time. Sigh... they didn't even try...
[MENTION=17833]Time_Bubbles[/MENTION]
We just went back to square one here. In my previous post regarding this matter I pointed out, that there are differences, but they are so little that you can miss them by blinking. Her Overall appearance just scream Sub Zero.
My main reason for current's Frost dislike is that Frost is basically THE ONLY CHARACTER IN GAME WHICH DIDN'T HAVE A CHANGE in this timeline.
SPOILERS for those who didn't play the story mode yet (if there are any)
This timeline
Scorpion - revived Shirai Ryu (twice already) and got a disciple (and potential successor)
Sub Zero - got cyberized, killed, revived and like in previous Timeline became a grandmaster, but here made peace with Scorpion (huge effing change)
Mileena - emperor, had civil war, dead
Jax - killed, revenant, father, farmer, came back as a badass
Sonya - got married, had a baby, raised a daughter
Johnny - was Earthrealm champion, got married, raised a daughter, team advisor
Kung Lao - dead, revenant
Liu Kang - dead, revenant, rules Netherrealm
Quan chi - dead (that's new)
Shinnok - got his head severed
Raiden - saved eartrealm, restored Earth life stream, became Dark Raiden without dying once (was close thou).
Hsu Hao - dead
Kobra - dead
Kano - interfered with Sub Zero quest, got his cyber eye ripped out for that, captured
Kitana - dead, revenant, "Queen" of Netherrealm
Sindel - dead revenant
Stryker - dead revenant
Kabal - dead revenant
Jade - dead
Li Mei - with events altered first came out in open 25 years later (while in original timeline 10 year didn't even pass), and instead of fighting was a witness and gave information. Nothing more.
Sareena - EVEN a goddamn Sareena (I have nothing against her), works with Special Forces, instead of being an ally to Lin Kuei. Even she had a change.
Kenshi - father, gave his son for Scorpion to teach, teamed up with his son, to hunt Red Dragon
Frost - met Cassie Cage (cool),joined Lin Kuei, attacked Scorpion, became into a popsickle and was left for future judgement
Frost original timeline - joined Lin Kuei, betrayed and attacked Sub Zero, became into a popsickle, woke up, came back, attacked Lin Kuei, became into a popsickle again and was left for future judgement, freed, killed.
Now you might say "different conditions", but here how I see it. Those two times she got owned in MK DA and MK D were put in one. Just think about it.
In MKX.
Tries to backstab Scorpion (tried to backstab Sub Zero in MK DA), failed - got her ass kicked, one sided (failed - froze herself), tries to kill Scorpion again (tries to kill Sub Zero again after waking up in MK DA)
,failed - got frozen by Sub Zero (failed - got frozen by Sub Zero)... sigh... basically if we were to ignore all small details her story is exactly the same just different conditions. But layout is pretty much the same.
Compared to other characters she is the same as she was in 3D Era. That's the biggest problem for me. Nothing new about her. Hell if anything she is even more of Sub Zero clone now.
If I were to see her for the first time in MKX, I wouldn't say anything. But because she was in 3D era and I already saw that story of hers, I am not really amused by seeing the same thing.
One of the reasons I went bat shit crazy then making fan arts for her and even made a whole goddamn trailer for her, just in hopes that Netherrealm will notice and see that there are people who want to see her NEW STORY, not the same damn thing.
I don't know who said that NRS likes Frost, but that is bullcrap. If they liked her they wouldn't do same thing with her. They would try to "innovate" as they proudly said that themselves. Look at characters they actually like. Look at the treatment they got.
I know it is their game and all, but then they shouldn't say stuff like "we care about our fans feedback" or suggest places like MKKollective with idea that you can "kinda" influence character designs.
Speaking of MKKollective. I and few of my friends keep uploading lots of new art in there (I usually upload Frost obviously) and I noticed one thing. Any artwork which deviates from MKX rarely gets put on. There have been some MK9 art and some of 3D era stuff. But if you try to upload something different, you most likely won't see it. But again at this point I bet they barely even watch MKKollective now, as upload rate is slower and they don't update Featured anymore (while I have seen some really amazing works and lots of them)
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Time_Bubbles
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She already has new story.
In the Old Timeline it was just Lin Kuei, Cyromancy, and Sub-Zero.
Now she has Lin Kuei, Sub-Zero, Cassie Cage, Jacqui Briggs, Cyromancy, Shirai Ryu, Scorpion, and Takeda. Sonya though doesn't seem to know Frost by name or that the girl she took into custody joined the Lin Kuei.
Frost also seems loyal to Sub-Zero in this timeline, that's new. She could betray him again but I doubt it as Sub-Zero is a much more hardened and strict Grandmaster and he deduced early on (5 years before MKX) that she needed humility hammered in. He also didn't drag her into Mortal Kombat stuff until she was ready, though since Scorpion knows her Sub-Zero must have taken her in to the fight against the Shirai Ryu and that may be way he's keeping her off the front lines for not after seeing her in action.
Anyway, Boon is teasing Fujin and Rain on Twitter.
Add in Frost and they have an Elemental Pack and have the 3 most requested characters.
They only focus on her vest.
Her outfit is quite different which I pointed out. I even circled the differences so either they didn't bother looking, don't care, or they're trolling which some users here do quite often. They know who they are.
Your boyfriend is wrong then, they aren't identical. They're similar with clear differences in their outfits. Only the padded vest and to a lesser extent the mask are the same. Everything else is different, especially the lower torso, head, shoulder, and arm areas. They don't even have the same pants and Frost clearly has a more covered sides on her torso and has an opening at her neck area compared to Sub-Zero.
So no, I CAN tell you that because she isn't almost identical to Sub-Zero. I literally showed the differences on her concept art.
In the Old Timeline it was just Lin Kuei, Cyromancy, and Sub-Zero.
Now she has Lin Kuei, Sub-Zero, Cassie Cage, Jacqui Briggs, Cyromancy, Shirai Ryu, Scorpion, and Takeda. Sonya though doesn't seem to know Frost by name or that the girl she took into custody joined the Lin Kuei.
Frost also seems loyal to Sub-Zero in this timeline, that's new. She could betray him again but I doubt it as Sub-Zero is a much more hardened and strict Grandmaster and he deduced early on (5 years before MKX) that she needed humility hammered in. He also didn't drag her into Mortal Kombat stuff until she was ready, though since Scorpion knows her Sub-Zero must have taken her in to the fight against the Shirai Ryu and that may be way he's keeping her off the front lines for not after seeing her in action.
Anyway, Boon is teasing Fujin and Rain on Twitter.
Add in Frost and they have an Elemental Pack and have the 3 most requested characters.
They only focus on her vest.
Her outfit is quite different which I pointed out. I even circled the differences so either they didn't bother looking, don't care, or they're trolling which some users here do quite often. They know who they are.
Your boyfriend is wrong then, they aren't identical. They're similar with clear differences in their outfits. Only the padded vest and to a lesser extent the mask are the same. Everything else is different, especially the lower torso, head, shoulder, and arm areas. They don't even have the same pants and Frost clearly has a more covered sides on her torso and has an opening at her neck area compared to Sub-Zero.
So no, I CAN tell you that because she isn't almost identical to Sub-Zero. I literally showed the differences on her concept art.
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Imperatrix Sindel
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What on earth makes you think Frost is one of the 3 most requested characters? Even just looking at females I see way more requests all over the internet for Sareena.
Kitty_55
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So... seven users either didn't care to look, don't care in general or are trolls for those who are saying she's similar? I don't understand why you think that when people are just saying her overall design looks nearly identical to Sub-Zero's primary. You're making it out as if people are belittling you or something because it's once again, a bad mark against Frost. People are just siting here saying that they would like to see a more unique look to Frost rather than giving her an outfit that hardly distinguishes her as a character. Instead, they designed her to look just like her mentor.
So what if there's differences, of course there's going to be differences, they wouldn't design two characters to wear the same exact outfit. That would be stupid. The problem here though is that they decided to give her an overall look that has been given to Sub-Zero. Even in her concept art, it's blatantly showing that they didn't want Frost's outfit stray too far away from Sub-Zero. Hell, she's even got an unmasked outfit that shares so many similarities to the Kuai Liang costume.
It doesn't make that much of a difference that there's changes to the outfit that makes what she's wearing to be not as identical to Sub-Zero's outfit, but I'm telling you, as well as six other users in this thread are, the overall design is blatantly identical to Sub-Zero's. It's not just "the vest" that's doing it. She has hand guards just like Sub-Zero. She has a mask on just like Sub-Zero. She has pants on just like Sub-Zero. Biceps paddings on the top of her arms. Underneath the vest she's wearing some black leather shirt. The colors are even the same in the right places. They did NOTHING to make her look different from her mentor!!!
You can sit here, argue back that she's not, while that's nice that you found the differences, it doesn't matter. She's got a similar/identical look to another character that the artists didn't bother to make different. No one is "trolling" you or ignoring what you circled. Everyone is literally saying the exact same thing that I am saying.
I don't know why this needs to be an argument, I really don't understand why it's that big of a deal that people are saying her look is almost identical to Sub-Zero when it is in fact true. I don't get why that's bothering you so much. Her overall design, head to toe, is nearly exact to Sub-Zero's primary, that is true, and that is what bothers so many people. Instead of giving Frost her own unique look, they decided to think making her look to be just like her mentor would be the best outfit to give. Except it's not because it again made people continue to believe that she needs to be another female Sub-Zero. I hate typing that phrase so much, but unfortunately it's true since they can't seem to stray away from making her look like him.
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FlawlessVictor
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One thing that Frost has going for her is the icy hair. However, her costume is definitely the typical MK ninja garb tailored for the female form. There are difference in the details, but most people are not going to sit around and try to compare and contrast her outfit from Sub-Zero's.
Antagony
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Yeah, I don't think Frost is making it in to Mortal Kombat X anytime soon. I lost it at Frost being one of the three most requested. lol. There might be concept art, yet there was nothing in the story to indicate she was planning on being playable in any way, such as a functioning moveset.
Marcelino Rodrigues
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Meh, I don't mind Frost, but out of the three 3D characters shown in the story mode, Li Mei was the one that impressed me the most visually and the one I'd personally want as DLC in the future, since they could do a lot with her kung fu-ish Chinese playstyle in X. Not every characters needs to be elemental. I wouldn't mind Sareena either.
Frost, Li Mei and Sareena are all acceptable DLC for me.
Frost, Li Mei and Sareena are all acceptable DLC for me.
Time_Bubbles
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I can, I did, and I proved that there were more than just a few differences and it wasn't just a resize. I also explained the train of thought for making her outfit close to Sub-Zero's as it showcases her status within the Lin Kuei, her connection to Sub-Zero, and making her stand out from the generics who wear nothing like what she wears.
I disagree.
Li Mei has lost everything in this new timeline due to no Deadly Alliance. Now she's just a random outworld refugee now who Mileena and Kotal Khan don't know or care to know. She even lost her training with BRC and Shujinko as neither had a reason to train or find her in this timeline.
Sareena is best saved for the return of Bi Han in a later game as that's her one big story that was never addressed. She's also still using her old costume. That's not a good sign at all considering they did take the time to give characters like Frost, Fujin, Rain, Tanya, and the such completely new outfits.
Her chances are quite good and currently she's the most marketable female character not on the roster.
As you're a Noob fan I'm sure you want Noob on there but you must consider that Noob is competing with Fujin and Rain, not Frost. His chances are also zero in my eyes as his return will be better saved for MKXI. Keeping him MIA throughout the time skip means that when YSZ retires they can purify Noob and he can be SZ again thus being young still.
None of the NPCs had a functioning Moveset, they had a butcher moveset taken from MK9. They have noting modified to work as a playable in MKX. They would need a complete rework just like what Tanya's getting as she just used stuff from characters like MK9 Kitana in the story. Which, I may as well add, plays nothing like the refined MKX Kitana.
Considering only Sub-Zero wears anything remotely like her it isn't typical.
Furthermore, have you seen the Tanya changes? She still has her outfit but changes were made to it as well as her face due to fan feedback. Thus if Frost got in as DLC than it wouldn't be surprising if she got minor changes and the such to set her apart as well based off fan feedback.
I disagree.
Li Mei has lost everything in this new timeline due to no Deadly Alliance. Now she's just a random outworld refugee now who Mileena and Kotal Khan don't know or care to know. She even lost her training with BRC and Shujinko as neither had a reason to train or find her in this timeline.
Sareena is best saved for the return of Bi Han in a later game as that's her one big story that was never addressed. She's also still using her old costume. That's not a good sign at all considering they did take the time to give characters like Frost, Fujin, Rain, Tanya, and the such completely new outfits.
Her chances are quite good and currently she's the most marketable female character not on the roster.
As you're a Noob fan I'm sure you want Noob on there but you must consider that Noob is competing with Fujin and Rain, not Frost. His chances are also zero in my eyes as his return will be better saved for MKXI. Keeping him MIA throughout the time skip means that when YSZ retires they can purify Noob and he can be SZ again thus being young still.
None of the NPCs had a functioning Moveset, they had a butcher moveset taken from MK9. They have noting modified to work as a playable in MKX. They would need a complete rework just like what Tanya's getting as she just used stuff from characters like MK9 Kitana in the story. Which, I may as well add, plays nothing like the refined MKX Kitana.
Considering only Sub-Zero wears anything remotely like her it isn't typical.
Furthermore, have you seen the Tanya changes? She still has her outfit but changes were made to it as well as her face due to fan feedback. Thus if Frost got in as DLC than it wouldn't be surprising if she got minor changes and the such to set her apart as well based off fan feedback.
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Misucra
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Ok let's make it so. You see a big difference. I don't see any major difference (I already stated why in my previous posts). Maybe, because I see it with different eyes. To me that design screams "recycled Sub Zero", for you it does not.
So on this subject we can agree to disagree.
FlawlessVictor
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Looking at the big picture, it's still V-shaped tunic and character-specific colors that we all became familiar with. You can nitpick the details all you want, but most people are not looking for that stuff when it comes to recognizing a character. It makes sense that her outfit is very similar to Sub-Zero, at the same time, it only reinforces the the belief that Frost can't be more than a female Sub-Zero.
Yes, I saw Tanya's changes. The hair has changed, but the rest of it was recolored, without any need to change the form of the model.
theincubuslord
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YES! Exactly! This is the arguement I use every time I say I want the "MK ninjas" to go away from the original palette-swap look, which is exactly this! Thank you. ^^
Kitty_55
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The best way to solve this issue is just to sit here and say that they clearly need to give her a new design. That is it. You can still have her be apart of the Lin Kuei by keeping the colors, but for heaven's sake, give her an outfit that isn't nearly identical to another character. There was no reason for them to do that.
And clearly, no matter what she wore, she was going to look like Sub-Zero either way since her concept art shows heavily on that.
Pathetic.
And clearly, no matter what she wore, she was going to look like Sub-Zero either way since her concept art shows heavily on that.
Pathetic.
Misucra
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Talking about her Concept art. I found her old ones... what happened to these designs? They had so much potential (if done properly)
Imperatrix Sindel
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Talking about her Concept art. I found her old ones... what happened to these designs? They had so much potential (if done properly)
The one on the right actually looks a bit like Killer Frost's alt from Injustice.
Misucra
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Or maybe Killer Frost alt looks like that one on the right? These concept arts are older than Injustice
Imperatrix Sindel
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Or maybe Killer Frost alt looks like that one on the right? These concept arts are older than Injustice
I know! I'm saying maybe the design team used some of their earlier ideas for Frost from MK for Killer Frost.
Misucra
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It was disappointing to see Frost in the story mode, yet you don't even get to fight her,
I hope she becomes a playable character in future DLC for Mortal Kombat X, but for some reason, I doubt it
Saddest part for me is that her story doesn't feel new (mkx story mode), except Cassie part. I would loved if she wasn't in Lin Kuei at all and design of her was completely different. But well we got what we got.
Good thing there is fan fic...