Frost for MKX

Exactly. "This isn't anything new". That's exactly why I hate it. If Frost is to be her own character, she should have her own outfit, not just a female size Sub-Zero costume.

She is her own character, always has been.

It isn't just a resize, there are clear differences to her outfit that aren't on Sub-Zero's. The only thing that's the same is the padded middle and coloring. That's literally it.

It's like saying Cassie is too much like Sonya when they're in their Special Forces gear.
 
On another note.

Frost is one of the few characters who got a vast improvement to her model, like Cassie did, after her initial appearance.

Compare the Original to the Final Version.

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Final

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That's a ton of extra work to put in someone whose supposed to just be an NPC, no?

Now compare her to Baraka.

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Much more detailed than Baraka.

And now Smoke.

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About the same detail though Smoke didn't even get a new costume, that's his MK9 Alt. He's also a Faction Kill which is just his alt for MK9.

You're comparing mid development picture with final product. This one doesn't count (I checked that picture). The cutscene wasn't even done, when that leak was made. Background is missing, her hair texture has no opacity, and overall we are seeing model in Unreal Engine Viewport basically. Not the final render. If they rendered the scene you would see pretty much the same thing as Final just with few elements missing.

Also while she does look pretty, her treatment is plus minus the same as Smoke's, Sindel's and other characters, who got their costumes recycled from MK9. Her costume is a re sized and barely modified Sub Zero costume. I can pretty much tell that costume wasn't completely redone for her, nor where was put a lot of effort in it. I work with 3D as well, and could do the same as easy. The only part which was worked from scratch is her face and hair.

If I were just to put everything in simple plan.
Sub Zero mask = resized for Frost
Sub Zero costume = resized and reshaped in certain parts, minus decorations and belt which is present on Sub Zero.
Sub Zero Arm guards = also just resized for Frost
Her arms could have been recycled from other female characters for all you know.

I don't want to sound like a jerk (which I most likely do sound ), but no matter how I look at it. I see barely any work put on her.

As for MK DA. Yeah Sub Zero Alt had some small resemblance to her default MK DA, but that's THE POINT. There was very little resemblance, just enough to let people know that she is from Lin Kuei. Here... First thing I thought was Sub Zero with Frost head on top. Hell Female Sub Zero.

In short. Resizing something in 3d max/maya doesn't take a lot of work. Even so her skin and hair textures look pretty.

Sigh... but inner voice in me says to be optimistic about that.
 
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As baseless as ever, I see. When will you familiarize yourself with the characters? If you don't desire to ever do as such then please tell me now so I can just put you on ignore.

Then it comes to this subject, just... just ignore him. I just take it that he comes here to comment the same thing over and over again, when he has nothing to do.
 
I highly disagree.

Frost looks far more detailed than characters like Li Mei, Baraka, Sareena (Her model isn't well done at all, and the such. Furthermore her design is 100% new compared to Smoke, Nightwolf, and Stryker. Heck, Nightwolf and Stryker's models are los res, they didn't even get full body shots.

Once again, disagree. Do I really need to post a picture of Sub-Zero as some of you here keep saying "It's just a resize" when there's a ton of detail between the two outfits that sets them apart while still establishing her as his protege.

Disagree, I see a ton of work put into her. Especially with her hair and her outfit was clearly changed. Furthermore that picture doesn't show her other arm fully with details there as well. Unlike some of the other NPCs we also see her full model, front and back as well as top to bottom.

Sindel is detailed, yes, but it's just her MK9 model with adjustments and a few things thrown on. Compared to say Kitana there's a huge difference.

It wasn't a small resemblance in DA.

I might have made the wrong choice of words when saying she wasn't her own character. What I meant was, she isn't unique.

Disagree, Frost is very unique in looks, her character, her motivations, and her personality. Especially as a female character.
 
Disagree, Frost is very unique in looks,

Eh.


her character, her motivations, and her personality.
Agree with that.


Elsa would be cool to see as a new Ice character (I hate Sub Zero, he's too slow for me), but I hope they really do fit her in as a rushdown ice character. I'd almost like them to skip the freeze altogether if people are worried about making her too similar to Subby.




Also, everyone saying that Sub Zero and Frost would play the same, I would like to direct you to Sub Zero and Cyber Sub Zero. Those two played NOTHING alike.
 
I don't mean to be a douche, but Frost is the only member of the LK that seems a copycat. And i'm not talking about the coloring, but the textures, padding and overall design. I'm not against it, i think it furthers her status as Sub-Zero protege, but you cannot deny the obvious.

And as a female character i don't picture her that much unique. I hope she gets the chance ingame (or maybe in the next game) to develope as a character, but nowadays that's no the case imho.
 
Disagree, Frost is very unique in looks, her character, her motivations, and her personality. Especially as a female character.

She looks like a female Sub-Zero and her moves are based of some of his.
She's a headstrong woman like Sonya.
She's disobedient and acts on her own accord like Kung Lao and Kung Jin.
She's a backstabber and betrays her superior like Tanya.
She wants power like most villains.

No, she isn't unique.
Please don't be one of those fans who will defend your fandom no matter what and ignores the flaws.
 
She looks like a female Sub-Zero and her moves are based of some of his.
She's a headstrong woman like Sonya.
She's disobedient and acts on her own accord like Kung Lao and Kung Jin.
She's a backstabber and betrays her superior like Tanya.
She wants power like most villains.

No, she isn't unique.
Please don't be one of those fans who will defend your fandom no matter what and ignores the flaws.

To be fair, in this new timeline she could still be a good guy but leave the Lin Kuai. A "Lives are in danger and YOU aren't doing enough to stop it! I'm going to go help, don't matter what you say!" type of scenario would fit her character (As I know it) and make her pretty unique.
 
To be fair, in this new timeline she could still be a good guy but leave the Lin Kuai. A "Lives are in danger and YOU aren't doing enough to stop it! I'm going to go help, don't matter what you say!" type of scenario would fit her character (As I know it) and make her pretty unique.

That's pretty much the notion Liu Kang had when attacking Raiden in MK9.
 
That's pretty much the notion Liu Kang had when attacking Raiden in MK9.

The difference though is that Liu Kang came to that thought after watching friends die and Raiden telling him to let the guy doing the killing win. Frost would do it just because she didn't listen to reason.


Also, allowing there to be two people with the same ideals but on different sides of the war would be interesting and give both characters depth, which is honestly lacking in 90% of MK's characters.
 
So a character isn't unique because their motivations and personality are present in other characters, welp I guess Cassie, Jacqui, and Kung Jin are not unique at all .
 
The difference though is that Liu Kang came to that thought after watching friends die and Raiden telling him to let the guy doing the killing win. Frost would do it just because she didn't listen to reason.


Also, allowing there to be two people with the same ideals but on different sides of the war would be interesting and give both characters depth, which is honestly lacking in 90% of MK's characters.

It still wouldn't be enough to make Frost unique. People look at the appearance and moveset first, and if those two aren't unique to the character, then it doesn't matter what her background or motivation is.
 
Ok let's do a detailed comparrison
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vs

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Also for Bonus. Reason why I hate her hairstyle:
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When I look at her from this point somehow she reminds me of Tokio Hotel Boy Band...

no idea why...
oh... that's why...
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Anyway let's pay attention now to the details.

Mask = resized. That's obvious
Top = Resized and refitted to fit Frost and give illusion of "different". Lower Shoulder pads are more dragged out than on Subbies
Pants = I can tell recycled pants from a mile away.
Arm guards = resized
Hand guards = unique model, but poor work on model itself (but ok to be fair. It is something unique)
Belt area = she has no belt or similar decorations as Subbie, BUT. Her belt area practically looks the same as what it would look like if Subbie had no belt.
Leg Guards = also slightly different in design, but again. Recycled parts always give off the same feeling.

So to be fair. They put effort in adding/taking away parts to make Frost feel kinda "unique" in design, but the fact still remains the same. Sub Zero costume was taken and recycled for Frost to have.
I usually have to recycle a lot of models, when making them from sexy to practical, so I can easily see that while work was put in her, it wasn't as much as you think. Pretty much the same amount of work as MK9 lookalikes in MKX. They also couldn't just add better textures for them. You could see that models have been reworked. Same as Frost.

As for Sareena. Her design was definitely taken from MKKollective. I recognized the design immediately.
If someone would have posted some interesting design for Frost we might have seen the same. But due the lack of original designs (apart her being half naked and in high heels) they had to recycle Sub's costume.
That's the way I see it.

Also:

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Compared these with what we have seen in MKX. Resemblance is so small here that I think I would miss it if I were to sneeze.
 
Elsa would be cool to see as a new Ice character.

I'm pretty sure Cassie calling her Elsa was a thinly veiled reference to Frozen, and not her real name.

Anyway I'm sure we'll see more of Frost in future games, she was a critical part of Sub Zero's story post MK4 and there's no reason for that to change seeing as Sub Zero is in the same situation as he was back in the previous timeline.
 
^ You sound alot like the people complaining about Cassie being a "Carbon Copy" of Sonya and Johnny.

It still wouldn't be enough to make Frost unique. People look at the appearance and moveset first, and if those two aren't unique to the character, then it doesn't matter what her background or motivation is.

If they went with the story idea I posted (Or something similar), then they could very easily change her model to show that she did in fact split with the LK, while leaving the current costume in for the flashback, to show that she was still part of the LK. Easy Peasy.

I'm pretty sure Cassie calling her Elsa was a thinly veiled reference to Frozen, and not her real name.

I know :P
 
Well, that was a terrible analogy. Cassie is a unique entity (unique appearance, personality, abilities) that bares little to no resemblance to either of her parents, aside from the occasional Cage-esque caustic remark. Frost, on the other hand...
 
The only thing interesting about Frost is her personality. Her appearance just makes me see her as Sub-Zero with tits, and while people argue that character share elemental powers, Liu Kang is nothing like Scorpion even though both use fire attacks, so I've never accepted that argument.

I see people bringing up Cassie and saying she's way too similar to Johnny and Sonya, no shit, she's their damn daughter. She borrows personality traits from both because personality can be genetic, it's why I act so much like my father. So I don't even see how this argument is really valid either, since if Cassie were to act completely different than her mother and father, it would be pretty stupid since she would just feel like she had Cage slapped onto her name.
 
I'm merely pointing out that a Teleport would great help her and that MKX doesn't even have that many Teleporters. That and she would be the only Cyromancer with a Teleport anyway which instantly makes her far different from the Turtle Defensive Style of Sub-Zero.

Just because X decided to get rid of a lot of teleporting moves doesn't mean they should start now. As I've stated before, giving her one measly little teleport, whether it's identical to the one she had before or just a plain teleport, doesn't remotely make her different from Sub-Zero. Some might point out that she took the move from Sub-Zero's Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe, others might just go, "That's meh." And the last bit might somewhat like that.

I, on the other hand, just do not see the teleport move making her different from Sub-Zero. One move doesn't make a difference.

They already did change the ending of the Teleport for her in Armageddon. So not seeing why that's an issue.

Those in charge of developing a move for a character can sit on their rear ends all they want and design a way where the teleport will be different from those that we've seen before. But in the end, it's still a teleport move, one that we've seen dozens of times.

Not to mention, I can list five characters that deals with teleporting, six if you include Shinnok and his Imposter variation. Twenty other characters don't have this. I'm not including Tanya, Tremor, Predator and Jason because we don't know their full moveset just yet.

Okay, you have two characters whose one variation deals with teleporting. Mileena with her Ethereal, Raiden with his Displacer.

Then you have Scorpion, Quan Chi and Goro that has an ability or two that deals with Teleporting off the screen.

And then Shinnok if you managed to take a move from them.

If you give Frost a teleporting move, then that's seven characters out of a twenty-something roster. And as far as from what I can see with these threads, people don't want the same old bogus moveset with these characters, they want something new. Giving Frost a variant of a teleport move will hardly do anything other than making her be another character that has a teleport move. I just don't see them taking an Armageddon only move and bringing it back for her just to be somewhat different from her trainer.


You assume I don't want new moves her for her as well. What I'm saying is that a Teleport would be perfect for her as a Teleport would greatly enhance a far greater offensive style and set her apart from Sub-Zero from the get go.

I recall arguing before with you on how she shouldn't freeze. You thought that she should because Sub-Zero shouldn't be the "special snowflake" if I recall correctly, to be the only ice wielder to freeze. And this brings up my point. You don't need to necessarily give Frost a freezing ability because then you're basically saying that she's Sub-Zero's copy again.

So, to be perfectly frank with you, I don't see you wanting her to be different since you think relying on her past moves would make her any different from Sub-Zero.



Are people tired of Sub-Zero having an Ice Ball? Or Scorpion having his Chain? They aren't so why are you making this an issue? Besides, her Teleport was unique as it had a different Hit Box, Priority, was an Uppercut, Speed, and Damage as well as being Grounded.

Comparing signature moves to a move that wasn't a signature move to begin with doesn't make remotely sense at all. Doesn't matter how unique the teleport punch was for Frost, it's still a move that we've seen plenty of times. And no, before you start thinking that it was, no it wasn't. Her ground freeze is her signature move, because out of all of the moves Frost has had, that move was the only move that was basically hers and not some sort of spin off of another move we've seen before.

I would assume they would bring that move back out of the other moves that she has had. Maybe, just maybe, the ice puddle as well, despite that wasn't hers. But her slide and her teleport punch are literally the two moves I don't want to see return, I hope they don't have them return, and I'm sure others would agree. I'm really not trying to speak for people because I hate doing that, I'm not every Frost fan, but as a die hard fan of hers, I'd like to see her entire move set scrapped, a new look that isn't almost identical to Sub-Zero's primary, and a story that makes her look like she has a chance to star on the roster for the next Mortal Kombat game.


About this appearance issue, yes, I do think they should have given her a different look, one that says she's still a student. Maybe what they could have done was make her more covered in black and that she has to earn her blue vest or whatever. Sure, there could be some spots on her that has it be blue, but she shouldn't have to be wearing an outfit that's almost identical to Sub-Zero's. It doesn't matter what's on her that's different from Sub-Zero, in the end, you have two characters looking alike. People were still not even convinced when her picture got leaked that it really was true because of her outfit, or they were face-palming because she once again got designed to look like Sub-Zero.

Remember, I'm a die hard Frost fan and I just would really appreciate the crap out of this character if they stop playing it safe with her. She was supposed to be in Sub-Zero's place in Mortal Kombat 2 for heaven's sake. They've been taking it so easy on her that it's making people just not like her. They need to knock that sh!t off with her and design her in a way that would change people's minds about her.
 
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