Anyone Else Disappointed With the Story Mode?

[Commander]

More of Sindel maintaining her Mk9 moves and having no new moves in MKX.......

Sindel has the same powers, but Liu Kang doesn't, just like Noob saibot.

Yes, he does.
Last time I checked, Liu Kang still has the fireball, flying kick and bicycle kicks in MKX.
Liu Kang proves as much in your favor as Sub-Zero does in my favor with those moves that I pointed out, and that's my point.
That last bit I made about Sub in my last post was supposed to be sarcasm, but it didn't come off like that.

 

[p.W]

More of Sindel maintaining her Mk9 moves in MKX.......

You realize, of course, that there's a limit to how much effort NRS is willing to put into the redesign and gameplay of NPC characters... right?

And for whatever it's worth to you, Kuai Liang has the same kind of moves in MK9 as he does in MKX as a Revenant in his new body. Absolutely zero "evil" hell magic anywhere.

 

[Commander]

You realize, of course, that there's a limit to how much effort NRS is willing to put into the redesign and gameplay of NPC characters... right?

And for whatever it's worth to you, Kuai Liang has the same kind of moves in MK9 as he does in MKX as a Revenant in his new body. Absolutely zero "evil" hell magic anywhere.

Or they left her like that to signify that nothing about Sindel changed since MK9.
Look at Baraka and Rain.

*Sigh*
See the end of post #161.

 

[Yellow Ledbetter]

More of Sindel maintaining her Mk9 moves and having no new moves in MKX.......

Yes, he does.
Last time I checked, Liu Kang still has the fireball, flying kick and bicycle kicks in MKX.
Liu Kang proves as much in your favor as Sub-Zero does in my favor with those moves that I pointed out, and that's my point.
That last bit I made about Sub in my last post was supposed to be sarcasm, but it didn't come off like that.

But he has a new obvious power he didn't, as Nightwolf wasn't casting the same weapons he always did.

The point is: you are assuming that "new body = new powers/ old body = old powers" even ignoring that Sindel died with no body remaining and that was obvious revenants are resurrected on that pit.

It's just a mess of new decisions that Midway/NRS have been taking on characters origins, there is no exact pattern that we can make an aristotelic sentence.

 

[p.W]

Or they left her like that to signify that nothing about Sindel changed since MK9.

They can leave her however they like, but she needs a new body because her old one does not exist.

We have 5 crystal clear cases of Quan Chi giving souls new physical bodies, 3 on-screen and 2 because he would have no other choice. We have ZERO crystal clear cases of Quan Chi simply resurrecting a dead body to walk around as a zombie.

If you want to make up some personal headcanon to give their powersets consistency, you're welcome to do it (although, like Yellow Ledbetter said, Liu Kang has brand new powers), but don't be surprised if no one else shares that view.

 

[Commander]

But he has a new obvious power he didn't, as Nightwolf wasn't casting the same weapons he always did.

The point is: you are assuming that "new body = new powers/ old body = old powers" even ignoring that Sindel died with no body remaining and that was obvious revenants are resurrected on that pit.

It's just a mess of new decisions that Midway/NRS have been taking on characters origins, there is no exact pattern that we can make an aristotelic sentence.

So does Sub-Zero (ice hammer, ice shield, ice daggers), it means nothing.
Liu still has his Bicycle Kick, Fireball and Flying Kick.

No. The point is the characters that NRS deemed to have stayed the same, NRS kept the same, such as Sindel, Baraka and Rain having the same moves.
Sure, they're NPC and I get that, but NRS could have also given Sindel some new moves in your VS battle with her to signify that she's a new Quan Chi creation, since they don't have to create 3 variations for her.
In MK9, all the dead characters appeared in the NetherRealm in the same way that they died, as a ghost / revenant / zombie or whatever you want to call it, without being resurrected as new creations (see Cyber Sub-Zero), and in MKX, those dead characters, aside from 1 or 2 playable ones (Sub-Zero, Liu Kang) retain all of their original moves.
Kitana and Kung Lao are "what if" characters on the main roster, which is why I didn't count them, as their default skins are non-canon.

Sure, there is no exact pattern, but to me it seems like Sindel, Liu Kang, Kung Lao, Kitana, Nightwolf, Smoke, Jax and Stryker stayed the same.
The only ones that seem to be resurrected, imo, are Scorpion, Sub-Zero and maybe even Liu Kang (I'll give you that one, since he has no burn scars).

They can leave her however they like, but she needs a new body because her old one does not exist.

Didn't Quan Chi bring back her original body out of thin air in MK9, though.
Pretty sure that with his sorcery that he can do the same for Sindel and Nightwolf again, without resorting to resurrecting them as a new creation in a new body, in the MKX pit, and having them show up as their former selves.

 

[p.W]

Didn't Quan Chi bring back her original body out of thin air in MK9, though.
Pretty sure that with his sorcery that he can do the same for Sindel and Nightwolf again, without resorting to resurrecting them as a new creation in a new body, in the MKX pit, and having them show up as their former selves.

But Kuai Liang returned exactly as his former self. I don't understand how post 161 was supposed to explain that.

If he can effortlessly give Kuai a new body, why wouldn't he do that for everyone? Especially the people who have no bodies?

You're just adding complexity to a simple matter.

 

[Commander]

But Kuai Liang returned exactly as his former self. I don't understand how post 161 was supposed to explain that.

If he can effortlessly give Kuai a new body, why wouldn't he do that for everyone? Especially the people who have no bodies?

You're just adding complexity to a simple matter.

[MENTION=18134]Yellow Ledbetter[/MENTION] said

Sindel has the same powers, but Liu Kang doesn't, just like Noob saibot.

Which isn't completely true.
While Liu Kang has dark moves given to him for his 3rd variation / story mode purposes, he still retains all of his original iconic moves, whereas Bi-Han contained NONE of his freeze moves when he was Noob Saibot as he did when he was formerly Sub-Zero.

Because that's how NRS and the comic writers explained it, in his particular circumstance.
Ask them.
I also never said that it can't happen or wouldn't happen for those other characters, just that it doesn't seem as likely (TO ME), for the reasons that I pointed out in the last 2 pages.

No.
I'm pointing out details that are vague as hell in MKX, and can either be taken 1 way or another.
MKX story mode raised more questions than it answered.

 

[p.W]

[MENTION=18134]
While Liu Kang has dark moves given to him for his 3rd variation / story mode purposes, he still retains all of his original iconic moves, whereas Bi-Han contained NONE of his freeze moves when he was Noob Saibot as he did when he was formerly Sub-Zero.

You know what it is? Noob Saibot is probably a wraith just like Scorpion. Instead of being resurrected against his will, he volunteered to serve, which means he's open to using new dark powers from the Netherrealm. The others are closed off to these powers because they were resurrected against their will.

I just made this up, but it... seems to make sense? Bi Han is probably dickbag enough to go for it.

I'm pointing out details that are vague as hell in MKX, and can either be taken 1 way or another.
MKX story mode raised more questions than it answered.

Wouldn't dream of disagreeing with you there.

 

[Commander]

You know what it is? Noob Saibot is probably a wraith just like Scorpion. Instead of being resurrected against his will, he volunteered to serve, which means he's open to using new dark powers from the Netherrealm. The others are closed off to these powers because they were resurrected against their will.

I just made this up, but it... seems to make sense? Bi Han is probably dickbag enough to go for it.

Possibly, but (going back full-circle to Scorpion), NRS made him (Scorpion, not Hanzo) seem like a mindless puppet in MKX, rather than a wraith that made his own decisions like he was in MK9.
That whole Sub-Zero, Jax and Scorpion being freed from Quan Chi is throwing me for a loop.
Wasn't Scorpion a wraith in control of his own decisions in MK9?
Noob does have a wraith soul in him, as Ed Boon said that "1 is Noob and the other is Saibot," meaning that he probably had no say so in how Quan Chi resurrected him, and probably fused Bi-Han with the NetherRealm wraith.
Anyways, that's my personal guess / explanation as to why Noob can throw out the shadow (Saibot) and Scorpion can't.

 

[Yellow Ledbetter]

So does Sub-Zero (ice hammer, ice shield, ice daggers), it means nothing.
Liu still has his Bicycle Kick, Fireball and Flying Kick.

There's a big difference on having ice powers and conjuring ice weapons and having fire powers and conjuring a dark magic projectile.

You are counting on what he kept, not what he has gained.

 

[Lord Greyjoy]

I agree with most of Angry Joe's complaints about the story and then some (a whole lot of some), except the one about random cameos.

The story is easily this game's biggest failing alongside the amateur-hour netcode.

 

[Noob-Zer013]

My head is spinning reading all this. What are we mainly argueing about?

 

[Nethervestige]

What are we mainly argueing about?

Just the plot contrivances regarding Quan Chi's revenant magic. I don't think it needed to turn into an argument but [MENTION=5028]Commander[/MENTION] started making things bold and underlined which unfortunately causes people to think he is insisting that his theories are 'obviously' correct.

I give him the benefit of the doubt though, because he's shown himself to be more reasonable than that. As a friendly suggestion, maybe the frequent emphasis isn't helping.

 

[Noob-Zer013]

Just the plot contrivances regarding Quan Chi's revenant magic. I don't think it needed to turn into an argument but [MENTION=5028]Commander[/MENTION] started making things bold and underlined which unfortunately causes people to think he is insisting that his theories are 'obviously' correct.

I give him the benefit of the doubt though, because he's shown himself to be more reasonable than that. As a friendly suggestion, maybe the frequent emphasis isn't helping.

I should of used the word 'debate'. I didn't mean to come across like a dick :lol:

Anyways, interesting debate but didn't want to crowd in.

 

[Abaddon]

Even though I liked the story, I must admit I became a little disappointed with it. I was expecting a more complex plot.

Thinking about that, I remember in some of the first interviews Boon gave about the game, he said the story would show us Kotal´s rise and fall as the emperor of Outworld, but in the end we don´t see his fall.

 

[Noob-Zer013]

Even though I liked the story, I must admit I became a little disappointed with it. I was expecting a more complex plot.

Thinking about that, I remember in some of the first interviews Boon gave about the game, he said the story would show us Kotal´s rise and fall as the emperor of Outworld, but in the end we don´t see his fall.

Totally forgot about that. Maybe he hoped some fans would be pleased that he didn't fall by throwing us off? It would be a little embarrassing if maybe the story was changed after he said that but who knows what he meant.

 

[p.W]

Totally forgot about that. Maybe he hoped some fans would be pleased that he didn't fall by throwing us off? It would be a little embarrassing if maybe the story was changed after he said that but who knows what he meant.

Regardless, for any complaints with the story we might have, the fact that it DOES NOT feature the "fall of Kotal Kahn" is one of the best things about it. That guy needs to stick around, and not as a nobody.

 

[SecondCitySaint]

I'm not disappointed with story mode... I don't care about it. I'm disappointed that Fujin isn't playable.

 

[Imperatrix Sindel]

Regardless, for any complaints with the story we might have, the fact that it DOES NOT feature the "fall of Kotal Kahn" is one of the best things about it. That guy needs to stick around, and not as a nobody.

I agree. It showed us his rise to power and it showed us him starting to falter at the top, making poor decisions. Let's let that ride out for a while before we get rid of him. He's too interesting to be a one-and-done.