MK movie update/MK Legacy discussion

The ninjas in Rebirth were OK (besides Scorpion having a face engraved in his mask, that is).
Pretty much everything else besides it was ridiculous.
As everyone says, they threw all of the Realms stuff out the window and all of a sudden they're all deranged humans.
If Goro ever happens they'll probably make it like an amputee that got some Doc Ock-like implants or some stupid thing like that.
 
I've always said before, I like the idea of earth realm stuff being realistic. Characters like Sonya, Johnny cage and Lui Kang. Then having the out world characters with powers. The first movie did this well I thought. It was bizarre to go up against a warrior who could freeze people or steal souls.

Completely take advantage of the different realms and lore. That's what makes mortal kombat so fun. Any type of character could pop up. It can be serious too. Look at all of the crazy stuff lord of the rings has and they pulled it off.
 
I really don't care if its rebirth style realistic or legacy style fantasy as long as they give awesome fight scenes...

But I prefer the fantasy way. Or we wouldn't have the quan chi/scorpion/sub zero story and Shang tsung and raiden wouldn't be as powerful
 
Honestly I though rebirth looked atrocious. The characters were poorly designed and I just felt as if the story was trying too hard to separate itself, from itself. It didn't portray a realistic take on MK, it just sorta ruined it. The only plus i can think of was it introduced violent fights.

In short, Rebirth was to Mortal Kombat, what SF: The Legend of Chun-li was to SFII. A slap in the face.

They really need to make the next iteration a lot closer to the source material, with less camp and cheese and more dark brooding fantasy tones.

They could potentially make a really great film in general ,opposed to just a decent adaptation. This however, requires good writers and art direction. They could hire the best director in the world, but that's worthless if the screenplay is half-assed and hackneyed. This next movie "needs" to be done right if you are planning on drawing in new fans of the MK franchise. Don't just jump on the first script and screenplay that gets crapped out or "isn't bad" . That's precisely what has plagued the game to film process in the for years.

Yeah Resident Evil was "entertaining" but come on, it was was some maligned amalgamation of action and scifi. Not horror. As a result it came across as cheesy and campy with a couple "that was kinda cool" moments. They should have just done a straight zombie flick in the spirit of a George A. Romero film. Capcom made enough money to do it right but they jumped on the first thing that was available and got what they got.

With Mortal Kombat they need to redefine the Martial arts fantasy movie first and foremost. Think "Blood Sport" or "Enter: the Dragon" augmented with special effects . they were both very dark, violent, somewhat believable ADULT martial arts movies. they had a foreboding sense of life and death hanging in the balance. You actually felt that these guys were in danger of being killed with every fight they entered, a good way to introduce the violence would be to have Kano kill some random "movie only" kombatant. Beat him to death have him completely dominate the fight like Chong Li in Bloodsport. The gravity of the situation would sink in to the heroes when no one attempts to intervene. Make Scorpion and Sub-zero neutral like they were initially. concerned only with facing one another.

Make it an Violent Adult Martial Arts Fantasy". SHOW the "decadence" and "brutality" of the Outworld polluted tournament, like is done with fantasy films based on Greek, Roman and Norse mythologies or fantasies.

Have a prelude telling a brief history of the tournament and how it has come to be the bloodbath we are about to witness after the opening, don't show Goro instead leave it described as an act of treachery. introduce each character through the prelude though don't give their names until the movie proper begins.

Get straight to the tournament after the opening don't dawdle. jump right into it like they did in DREDD. Have Shang Tsung introduce himself and commence the tournament.

Raiden. should only make an appearance after the first death in the movie, explaining to the heroes what they have just witnessed and what they are up against. Don't reveal his powers until it calls for it, up to then he will just be one of those stoic old guys who is there one minute, and as soon as you look away, he's gone and for the love of Christ keep his damn hat on!! Make him one part Gandalf on part Master Splinter (Golden Harvest's 1989 TMNT. none of that other crap) is that a fair enough analogy?

Make it "epic". Not because your making an epic, but because its just so damn good it is epic! like movies used to be before before epic became just another genre I want to feel like i just peered into another world.

Don't try to make if "fun" and "accessible" you'll be left with a sub-par product (Spawn 1997). Make it dark and violent and awesome!!! Make it a movie people want to add to their collection. I want to leave the theater with a feeling of "That was so awesome I'm coming back to watch it again!
 
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I didn't know so many people were opposed to Rebirth.


This proves that my taste is much more refined than everyone elses.
Expected
 
The ninjas in Rebirth were OK (besides Scorpion having a face engraved in his mask, that is).
Pretty much everything else besides it was ridiculous.
As everyone says, they threw all of the Realms stuff out the window and all of a sudden they're all deranged humans.
If Goro ever happens they'll probably make it like an amputee that got some Doc Ock-like implants or some stupid thing like that.

Scorpion having a mask like that is pretty badass if you ask me.It brings him closer to his Japanese heritige having a Samurai mask. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense since he is depicted as a Ninja. Even though he is not a Ninja, there are no real Ninja characters in MK.
 
They refer to a lot of MK characters as Ninja but that's because they made them have the stereotypical Ninja look. Cyrax had Ninjutsu only as a gameplay mechanic. Those fighting styles weren't canon. Just simply a gameplay feature.
 
But makes a ninja that MK characters don't have?


We know Sub Daddy isn't a ninja because of his godly "I am Lin Kuei" quote. But what about the others? Zero actually outs Scorpion as a ninja.
 
A Ninja is simply a person who is skilled in the fighting style Ninjutsu. A lot of people think the term Ninja just refers to their appearance. It has nothing to do with appearance actually.

It's like seeing someone dressed up in full Football gear and saying they are an actual Football player.
 
Well if you say that fighting styles are just a gameplay feature and they don't actually reflect on the characters' actual abilities, whose to say they aren't skilled in Ninjutsu and we just don't see it?
 
You can recognize a fighting style just by watching them. Scorpion being a cooking show host is more canon than any MK character being a Ninja. haha. But even for people who would say that all of the fighting styles in MK:DA and MK:A were canon... Scorpion, Sub-Zero, Sektor, Smoke, Cyber-Smoke, etc would still not be considered to be Ninja.
 
You can recognize a fighting style just by watching them.

This is very true for me and Tae Kwon Do.
I did Tae Kwon Do for 13 years, and I could easily recognize someone using Tae Kwon Do kicks and techniques in a fight.
Sonya's Tae Kwon Do moves were pretty accurate in Deadly Alliance.
 
This is very true for me and Tae Kwon Do.
I did Tae Kwon Do for 13 years, and I could easily recognize someone using Tae Kwon Do kicks and techniques in a fight.
Sonya's Tae Kwon Do moves were pretty accurate in Deadly Alliance.

I never officially studied any martial art. I practiced a little shaolin kung-fu by watching YouTube videos. :rolleyes: haha. I have a Tae Kwon Do hat that someone got me as a present. They ask me if I know TKD but I reply with:

 
A Ninja is simply a person who is skilled in the fighting style Ninjutsu. A lot of people think the term Ninja just refers to their appearance. It has nothing to do with appearance actually.

It's like seeing someone dressed up in full Football gear and saying they are an actual Football player.

Do you know what Ninjutsu is and what it consists of...?
 
"Ninjitsu" consists of delivering Maximum force with minimum movement. Most attacks "disguise" the power in the movements. They are based upon an acute knowledge of the bodies circulatory and nervous system. The pressure points. A seemingly simple movement has the ability to incapacitate, cripple or kill the opponent with almost no visible force exerted at all. It is the art of "the stealth kill". Most ninjas didn't wear hoods and masks. Most ninjas looked like an average pedestrian a fisher man, a peasant, a drunk or merchant. They wanted to appear as "un-ninja like" as possible, hiding in plain sight and killing in an instant, with out the use of a weapon. The indicative hood and mask was for night missions and it was usually "blue" . Black was too dark and usually would stand out at night when the prevalent color of night is in fact "blue".

I recently began studying Wing Chun. One thing that is evident in the principals of Wing Chun is everything, everything Bruce Lee tried to convey was, in fact the principals of Wing Chun. Jeet Kun Do itself was "Bruce's" application of Wing Chun.

The name "Wing Chun" roughly translates to "stop fight" or "stopping the attack" How do you do that? By preempting an attack "intercepting" it if you will and thereby removing the opponents power by nipping it in the bud.

"Don't think Feel". The legendary quote from the beginning of E:tD, Bruce is talking about sensitivity training or "chi sao" or "sticking hands" where you should "feel" the movement of your opponent and react accordingly. "When the opponent contracts I expand, when he expands I contract and when there is an opening, I do not hit. It hits all by itself!" this an extension of this principal where it must be ingrained, not the technique, but the mindset the reflex.

Bruce's statements regarding the "futility of martial art styles" were based upon the limitations of Wing Chun movements, so when he moved to formulate Jeet Kun Do he expanded the range of movements to encompass more than just in close fighting. Wing Chun being primarily an upperbody martial art with only "two" kicks.

Wing Chun is an "internal form of martial arts Derived from Taoist principals each of its separate parts or movements are representations of the Bagua which represents heaven and earth and all elements in between. Your power comes from the inside and center line. when preparing to strike the palms should be facing up ward, the arm slightly twisted so that the elbows are resting on your rib cage, opposed to being parallel with your body.

To properly understand and utilize Jeet Kun Do, one must first have an understanding of the principals of Wing Chun. To be "formless, shapeless. like water" is a reference to having no particular way of engaging an attacker/ opponent. Meaning you should not focus on "how" but rather "where" and "when" wheather it is a "punch" an "elbow" or "palm strike". You simply get your extremity, your "weapon" to the target in the fastest most "effectively damaging" way possible. For some that may be a palm for others it may be a fist. It is simply a reiteration of "don't think, feel". What set Bruce apart was having a knowledge of "self". "Self" meaning his own personal abilities, His range his speed his power.

Put your arms out in front of you as far as they will stretch. and then extend them to your side in the same way. now do the same wit your legs even if you aren't that flexible. This is your range this is your "circle". Get to know it well and master it, as it is an "extension" of yourself. When one learned the circumference of "their circle", when on has explored all variables that can occur within that space, then you will be truly formidable.
 
Kevin Tancharoen discusses Mortal Kombat: http://screenrant.com/mortal-kombat-legacy-season-2-interview-kevin-tancharoen-2013/

SR: From a plot perspective, would the movie focus on the tournament? That seems like the way to position a first Mortal Kombat movie, no matter where you go.

We’re definitely going to be focused on the tournament, but it’s not going to be a tournament movie. Because when you try and do a tournament movie, you’re already pushed up against a corner and a wall as far as your structure. You meet the person, you train the person, and the end of it is the tournament. And I don’t want to be forced into that style of storytelling because we’ve seen those movies before. We’ve seen The Quest. We’ve seen Bloodsport and Enter the Dragon. And now those movies have turned into dance movies. So it’s not necessarily a tournament movie. Is the tournament a central focus in the film? Yes.

For the feature film, as opposed to calling it a tournament, I want to take it more as an approach of war. What’s a war movie like? There’s many different versions of war films and ‘Mortal Kombat’ lends itself to being more of a war film.
 
Kevin Tancharoen discusses Mortal Kombat: http://screenrant.com/mortal-kombat-legacy-season-2-interview-kevin-tancharoen-2013/

SR: From a plot perspective, would the movie focus on the tournament? That seems like the way to position a first Mortal Kombat movie, no matter where you go.

We’re definitely going to be focused on the tournament, but it’s not going to be a tournament movie. Because when you try and do a tournament movie, you’re already pushed up against a corner and a wall as far as your structure. You meet the person, you train the person, and the end of it is the tournament. And I don’t want to be forced into that style of storytelling because we’ve seen those movies before. We’ve seen The Quest. We’ve seen Bloodsport and Enter the Dragon. And now those movies have turned into dance movies. So it’s not necessarily a tournament movie. Is the tournament a central focus in the film? Yes.

For the feature film, as opposed to calling it a tournament, I want to take it more as an approach of war. What’s a war movie like? There’s many different versions of war films and ‘Mortal Kombat’ lends itself to being more of a war film.


So basically we can look forward to an X3 the last stand with martial ballet????? he has a lot of guff talking about dance movies with his track record. a war movie huh? the images in my mind of what that would look like is kinda not good.
 
So basically we can look forward to an X3 the last stand with martial ballet????? he has a lot of guff talking about dance movies with his track record. a war movie huh? the images in my mind of what that would look like is kinda not good.

Did you read what he actually said? He's saying that yes the film will be about the tournament but he's trying to atleast variate the tournament movie formula because as he's pointed out the structure has been pretty much the same for the films he mentioned The Karate Kid, and it bleeds into modern films like The Step Up Series, the Never Back Down series, hell that formula he mentions even is in The Undisputed franchise in terms of basic narrative structure.

I mean at the end of the day, Mortal Kombat IS essentially a war between Earthrealm and Outworld so maybe he means that the consequences of the tournament will be a bigger deal and the story will have more of a sense of urgency as it should. MK is war and genocide in the disguise of a tournament......so I don't see what the fuss is about.
 
Did you read what he actually said? He's saying that yes the film will be about the tournament but he's trying to atleast variate the tournament movie formula because as he's pointed out the structure has been pretty much the same for the films he mentioned The Karate Kid, and it bleeds into modern films like The Step Up Series, the Never Back Down series, hell that formula he mentions even is in The Undisputed franchise in terms of basic narrative structure.

I mean at the end of the day, Mortal Kombat IS essentially a war between Earthrealm and Outworld so maybe he means that the consequences of the tournament will be a bigger deal and the story will have more of a sense of urgency as it should. MK is war and genocide in the disguise of a tournament......so I don't see what the fuss is about.


I read it and comprehended what he said and the direction he's proposing to take the franchise.

I guess what i'm having an issue with is the fact that once again they're attempting to over-complicate the basic premise. What he's saying, I just disagree with it.

If you remember correctly Annihilation was more of a war flick and it was all over the place.

Mk is not about war. It's about avoiding it through the tournament. Few lives are sacrificed so that many may survive.

It becomes a war in MK3 when Outworld invades Earthrealm, but even then it's still a tournament.

My issue is they have never actually done a tournament movie in the case of MK. Even in the first movie only a handful of the fights were actually tournament fights. Every other fight occurred in between the actual tournament matches.

For MK I wanted to see a tournament movie with fights more like Hou Yuanjia vs Master Chin in Feerless accept less wires, more violence and in game inspired locales. The presence of sorcery in the MK universe makes it more plausible to have fights monitored anywhere and them still be considered part of the tournament. Sorcery should be a main theme not an underlying one. with out sorcery Mk wouldn't have the same feel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8c-IlgkgXw

personally I think they should have hired Sammo Hung or Yuen Woo Ping to direct the fights. oh well

*silently weeps*
 
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